Shirley Vian Relford

Waller: Can you tell me what you did on that day?

Rader: Actually on that one, she was completely random. There was actually someone across from Dillons that was a potential target. It was called project Green, I think... I had project numbers. That particular day I drove over to Dillons and parked in the parking lot and watched this particular residence and then got out of the car and walked over to it. It is probably in the police report, the address. I don't remember the address now. I knocked and no one answered it.

So I was all keyed up, so I just started going through the neighborhood. I had been through the neighborhood before so I kinda knew a little bit of the layout of the neighborhood. I had been through the back alleys, etc., knew where certain people lived. While I was walking down Hydraulic, I met a young boy and asked him if he'd ID some pictures. Kind of as a... ruse as you call it... feel him out... saw where he went... went to another address and knocked on the door and nobody opened the door, so just noticed where he went and went from there.

Waller: You call these projects. Are these sexual fantasies also?

Rader: Potential hits. In my world, that is what I call them. Project -- hits.

Waller: And why did you have these potential hits? Was this to gratify some sexual interest?

Rader: Yes sir. I had a lot of them, so it's just... if one didn't work out, I just moved to another one.

Waller: So as I am to understand it, on the 17th of March, l977, you saw this little boy go into a residence and you tried another residence. No one was there so you went to the residence where the little boy was.

Rader: And I watched where he went. After I tried the one residence, no one came to the door, I went to the house where he went in, knocked on the door told him I was a private detective... showed him a picture that I had just showed the boy, and asked if they could ID the picture. At that time I had the gun here and I just kind of forced myself in... just opened the door and walked in. I pulled a pistol.

Waller: What gun? What pistol?

Rader: 357 Magnum

Waller: So you only had one gun?

Rader: Yes sir.

Waller: So what happened then?

Rader: I told Ms. Vian that I had a problem with sexual fantasies... that I was going to tie her up and that I might have to tie the kids up and if she would cooperate with us... We went back. She was extremely nervous. I think she was smoking a cigarette at the time. We went back to one of the back areas of the porch. I explained that I had done this before and at that point in time, I think she was sick. She had her night robe on. If I can remember right, she had been sick and I think she came out of the bedroom when I went in the house. So we went to back to her bedroom and I proceeded to tie the kids up. They started crying and got real upset. So I knew this was not going to work. So we moved them to the bathroom -- she helped me -- and I tied the doors shut. We put some toys and blankets, odds and ends, in there for the kids, make them as comfortable as we could. We tied one of the bathroom doors shut so they couldn't open it, and she went back and helped me shove the bed against the other bathroom door. I proceed to tie her up. She got sick, threw up. I got her a glass of water, comforted her a little bit and then went ahead and tied her up and put a bag over her head and strangled her.

Waller: Was this a plastic bag also?

Rader: Yes, sir, I think it was but I could be wrong on that. It was something. I am sure it was a plastic bag, yes.

Waller: You say you had a bag over her head and strangled her. What did you strangle her with?

Rader: Actually, on that, I had tied her legs to the bedpost and worked my way up and what I had left over and I think I looped it over her neck.

Waller: So you used this rope to strangle her?

Rader: Yes, I think it is the same one I tied her body with.

Waller: What happened then?

Rader: Well, the kids were really banging on the door and hollering, screaming and then the telephone rang. And they had talked about earlier that the neighbor was going to check on them, so I cleaned up real quick like and got out of there and left and went back into my car.

Waller: When you say, cleaned up, what do you mean?

Rader: Well, I mean, I had a briefcase, whatever I had laying around, tape, cords, whatever I had brought into the house.

Waller: Had you brought that to the Bright residence also?

Rader: I think it was some basic stuff, but I don't remember total stuff like I did with some of the others.

Waller: Was this a kit you had prepared?

Rader: Yes, I call it my hit kit.

Waller: All right, sir. You left the Vian residence. Had you parked your vehicle near there?

Rader: It was still in the same parking lot there at Dillons... at Lincoln and Hydraulic.