TOPEKA — Grover Norquist, a hero among anti-tax Republicans, told state legislators Wednesday that it’s OK to be conservative and be against cracking down on illegal immigrants.
Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, argued that immigration is good for the country and took a swipe at Arizona’s controversial anti-immigrant law, which requires local law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of people they suspect of being in the United States illegally.
“They (Arizona) said we’re not for asking everybody for their papers like some World War II movie,” Norquist said. “We’re interested in only asking for papers of people who violated the law. So they passed a law making it illegal to stand on the side of the road looking for work. … (Proponents say) ‘We’re not criminalizing workers or immigrants or anything like that.’ Yes they were. That’s exactly what they were doing.”
By extension, it was also a swipe at the Arizona measure’s principle author, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has worked with cities and states around the country to crack down on illegal immigrants.
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Asked about Kobach himself, Norquist said “people can get attention with outrageous positions … but it’s not constructive for the country, it’s not constructive for the modern Republican Party.”
Contacted later, Kobach said Norquist doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
“Grover Norquist has excellent expertise in tax policy,” Kobach said. “He has no legal expertise in immigration law.”
The Arizona law, he said, “didn’t criminalize anything that wasn’t already criminal under federal law.”
And he accused Norquist of “hypocrisy” on the immigration issue.
“The irony here is that Grover Norquist claims to deeply care about fiscal responsibility, but the amnesty he favors would cost taxpayers $2.6 trillion over 10 years … It’s unbelievable that he can hold those two opposing views at the same time.”
The cost, he said, would come from newly legalized immigrants being eligible for social services they do not now qualify for. “And that’s before Obamacare,” Kobach added.
Norquist spoke at a breakfast for legislators sponsored by the Kansas Business Coalition for Immigration Reform, a business group that is seeking a more orderly process for immigrants to enter and work in the United States.
The coalition includes the Kansas, Wichita, Topeka, Kansas City and Overland Park chambers of commerce, along with heavy hitters in the agricultural and construction sectors including the state’s Farm Bureau, Livestock Association, Contractors Association and Building Industry Association.
Norquist argued that immigration crackdowns are bad policy and bad politics for Republicans.
Economically, the ability incorporate immigrants into the workforce is a major advantage the United States has over competitors such as China and Japan, he said.
“We’re way ahead of other countries in the ability to have immigrants come to the United States and become Americans very rapidly and contribute to the growth of our economy, both in big cities and in rural areas,” Norquist said. “It’s one of the strengths we have as a nation and I think it’s very important for us to keep an eye on that, because if you sort of get some stuff right, if you have the right tax policy but you’ve got the wrong immigration policy, you can do great damage to a state’s economy or the national economy.”
Politically, the issue hurts Republicans because even though polls might show majorities favoring crackdowns on illegal immigration, most don’t consider it important enough to influence their vote, Norquist said.
Those who do consider immigration a voting issue, especially Hispanic voters, are primarily on the other side, he said.
Hard-line immigration policies drive those voters away from Republicans, even though many generally agree with GOP stances on issues such as abortion and traditional values.
“So we’ll have a conversation saying: ‘Look, I want to talk to you about all the issues we agree on. Now, while we talk, you won’t mind if Igor here goes upstairs and grabs your aunt and drags her down the stairs and throws her across the border,” Norquist said.
Norquist likened calls for increased enforcement of current laws to the 55 mph national highway speed limit of the 1970s, which was routinely flouted by motorists.
“What we did do eventually is change the speed limit so that it matched reality,” We need to have an immigration law and enforcement that matches reality.”
Kobach said if his views are as outrageous as Norquist said, he’s in good company because at least 60 of the American people agree with him.
And Kobach said he doesn’t know how Norquist can gauge the intensity of people’s feelings on the issue.
“I think he’s making it up,” Kobach said. “He has to come up with a theory because massive numbers of Americans disagree with him.”
While several anti-illegal immigration bills are expected to be introduced this legislative session, they probably won’t get a lot of attention, said Rep. Steve Brunk, R-Wichita and one numerous lawmakers who attended Norquist’s speech.
Brunk said a fight over immigration isn’t worth it because it could divide Republicans and influence other high-priority GOP issues such as tax cuts, reducing spending and changing the way the state selects appellate judges.
“Anything new on immigration that could potentially split that up is going on the back burner,” Brunk said.
“Nobody’s life is a complete waste, some people serve as bad examples, Arizona, Alabama,” Norquist said.